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18 hours ago 3 votes
Words are not violence

Debates, at their finest, are about exploring topics together in search for truth. That probably sounds hopelessly idealistic to anyone who've ever perused a comment section on the internet, but ideals are there to remind us of what's possible, to inspire us to reach higher — even if reality falls short. I've been reaching for those debating ideals for thirty years on the internet. I've argued with tens of thousands of people, first on Usenet, then in blog comments, then Twitter, now X, and also LinkedIn — as well as a million other places that have come and gone. It's mostly been about technology, but occasionally about society and morality too. There have been plenty of heated moments during those three decades. It doesn't take much for a debate between strangers on this internet to escalate into something far lower than a "search for truth", and I've often felt willing to settle for just a cordial tone! But for the majority of that time, I never felt like things might escalate beyond the keyboards and into the real world. That was until we had our big blow-up at 37signals back in 2021. I suddenly got to see a different darkness from the most vile corners of the internet. Heard from those who seem to prowl for a mob-sanctioned opportunity to threaten and intimidate those they disagree with. It fundamentally changed me. But I used the experience as a mirror to reflect on the ways my own engagement with the arguments occasionally felt too sharp, too personal. And I've since tried to refocus way more of my efforts on the positive and the productive. I'm by no means perfect, and the internet often tempts the worst in us, but I resist better now than I did then. What I cannot come to terms with, though, is the modern equation of words with violence. The growing sense of permission that if the disagreement runs deep enough, then violence is a justified answer to settle it. That sounds so obvious that we shouldn't need to state it in a civil society, but clearly it is not. Not even in technology. Not even in programming. There are plenty of factions here who've taken to justify their violent fantasies by referring to their ideological opponents as "nazis", "fascists", or "racists". And then follow that up with a call to "punch a nazi" or worse. When you hear something like that often enough, it's easy to grow glib about it. That it's just a saying. They don't mean it. But I'm afraid many of them really do. Which brings us to Charlie Kirk. And the technologists who name drinks at their bar after his mortal wound just hours after his death, to name but one of the many, morbid celebrations of the famous conservative debater's death. It's sickening. Deeply, profoundly sickening. And my first instinct was exactly what such people would delight in happening. To watch the rest of us recoil, then retract, and perhaps even eject. To leave the internet for a while or forever. But I can't do that. We shouldn't do that. Instead, we should double down on the opposite. Continue to show up with our ideals held high while we debate strangers in that noble search for the truth. Where we share our excitement, our enthusiasm, and our love of technology, country, and humanity. I think that's what Charlie Kirk did so well. Continued to show up for the debate. Even on hostile territory. Not because he thought he was ever going to convince everyone, but because he knew he'd always reach some with a good argument, a good insight, or at least a different perspective. You could agree or not. Counter or be quiet. But the earnest exploration of the topics in a live exchange with another human is as fundamental to our civilization as Socrates himself. Don't give up, don't give in. Keep debating.

16 hours ago 3 votes
AI Coding

In my old age I’ve mostly given up trying to convince anyone of anything. Most people do not care to find the truth, they care about what pumps their bags. Some people go as far as to believe that perception is reality and that truth is a construction. I hope there’s a special place in hell for those people. It’s why the world wasted $10B+ on self driving car companies that obviously made no sense. There’s a much bigger market for truths that pump bags vs truths that don’t. So here’s your new truth that there’s no market for. Do you believe a compiler can code? If so, then go right on believing that AI can code. But if you don’t, then AI is no better than a compiler, and arguably in its current form, worse. The best model of a programming AI is a compiler. You give it a prompt, which is “the code”, and it outputs a compiled version of that code. Sometimes you’ll use it interactively, giving updates to the prompt after it has returned code, but you find that, like most IDEs, this doesn’t work all that well and you are often better off adjusting the original prompt and “recompiling”. While noobs and managers are excited that the input language to this compiler is English, English is a poor language choice for many reasons. It’s not precise in specifying things. The only reason it works for many common programming workflows is because they are common. The minute you try to do new things, you need to be as verbose as the underlying language. AI workflows are, in practice, highly non-deterministic. While different versions of a compiler might give different outputs, they all promise to obey the spec of the language, and if they don’t, there’s a bug in the compiler. English has no similar spec. Prompts are highly non local, changes made in one part of the prompt can affect the entire output. tl;dr, you think AI coding is good because compilers, languages, and libraries are bad. This isn’t to say “AI” technology won’t lead to some extremely good tools. But I argue this comes from increased amounts of search and optimization and patterns to crib from, not from any magic “the AI is doing the coding”. You are still doing the coding, you are just using a different programming language. That anyone uses LLMs to code is a testament to just how bad tooling and languages are. And that LLMs can replace developers at companies is a testament to how bad that company’s codebase and hiring bar is. AI will eventually replace programming jobs in the same way compilers replaced programming jobs. In the same way spreadsheets replaced accounting jobs. But the sooner we start thinking about it as a tool in a workflow and a compiler—through a lens where tons of careful thought has been put in—the better. I can’t believe anyone bought those vibe coding crap things for billions. Many people in self driving accused me of just being upset that I didn’t get the billions, and I’m sure it’s the same thoughts this time. Is your way of thinking so fucking broken that you can’t believe anyone cares more about the actual truth than make believe dollars? From this study, AI makes you feel 20% more productive but in reality makes you 19% slower. How many more billions are we going to waste on this? Or we could, you know, do the hard work and build better programming languages, compilers, and libraries. But that can’t be hyped up for billions.

16 hours ago 2 votes
first-class merges and cover letters

Although it looks really good, I have not yet tried the Jujutsu (jj) version control system, mainly because it’s not yet clearly superior to Magit. But I have been following jj discussions with great interest. One of the things that jj has not yet tackled is how to do better than git refs / branches / tags. As I underestand it, jj currently has something like Mercurial bookmarks, which are more like raw git ref plumbing than a high-level porcelain feature. In particular, jj lacks signed or annotated tags, and it doesn’t have branch names that always automatically refer to the tip. This is clearly a temporary state of affairs because jj is still incomplete and under development and these gaps are going to be filled. But the discussions have led me to think about how git’s branches are unsatisfactory, and what could be done to improve them. branch merge rebase squash fork cover letters previous branch workflow questions branch One of the huge improvements in git compared to Subversion was git’s support for merges. Subversion proudly advertised its support for lightweight branches, but a branch is not very useful if you can’t merge it: an un-mergeable branch is not a tool you can use to help with work-in-progress development. The point of this anecdote is to illustrate that rather than trying to make branches better, we should try to make merges better and branches will get better as a consequence. Let’s consider a few common workflows and how git makes them all unsatisfactory in various ways. Skip to cover letters and previous branch below where I eventually get to the point. merge A basic merge workflow is, create a feature branch hack, hack, review, hack, approve merge back to the trunk The main problem is when it comes to the merge, there may be conflicts due to concurrent work on the trunk. Git encourages you to resolve conflicts while creating the merge commit, which tends to bypass the normal review process. Git also gives you an ugly useless canned commit message for merges, that hides what you did to resolve the conflicts. If the feature branch is a linear record of the work then it can be cluttered with commits to address comments from reviewers and to fix mistakes. Some people like an accurate record of the history, but others prefer the repository to contain clean logical changes that will make sense in years to come, keeping the clutter in the code review system. rebase A rebase-oriented workflow deals with the problems of the merge workflow but introduces new problems. Primarily, rebasing is intended to produce a tidy logical commit history. And when a feature branch is rebased onto the trunk before it is merged, a simple fast-forward check makes it trivial to verify that the merge will be clean (whether it uses separate merge commit or directly fast-forwards the trunk). However, it’s hard to compare the state of the feature branch before and after the rebase. The current and previous tips of the branch (amongst other clutter) are recorded in the reflog of the person who did the rebase, but they can’t share their reflog. A force-push erases the previous branch from the server. Git forges sometimes make it possible to compare a branch before and after a rebase, but it’s usually very inconvenient, which makes it hard to see if review comments have been addressed. And a reviewer can’t fetch past versions of the branch from the server to review them locally. You can mitigate these problems by adding commits in --autosquash format, and delay rebasing until just before merge. However that reintroduces the problem of merge conflicts: if the autosquash doesn’t apply cleanly the branch should have another round of review to make sure the conflicts were resolved OK. squash When the trunk consists of a sequence of merge commits, the --first-parent log is very uninformative. A common way to make the history of the trunk more informative, and deal with the problems of cluttered feature branches and poor rebase support, is to squash the feature branch into a single commit on the trunk instead of mergeing. This encourages merge requests to be roughly the size of one commit, which is arguably a good thing. However, it can be uncomfortably confining for larger features, or cause extra busy-work co-ordinating changes across multiple merge requests. And squashed feature branches have the same merge conflict problem as rebase --autosquash. fork Feature branches can’t always be short-lived. In the past I have maintained local hacks that were used in production but were not (not yet?) suitable to submit upstream. I have tried keeping a stack of these local patches on a git branch that gets rebased onto each upstream release. With this setup the problem of reviewing successive versions of a merge request becomes the bigger problem of keeping track of how the stack of patches evolved over longer periods of time. cover letters Cover letters are common in the email patch workflow that predates git, and they are supported by git format-patch. Github and other forges have a webby version of the cover letter: the message that starts off a pull request or merge request. In git, cover letters are second-class citizens: they aren’t stored in the repository. But many of the problems I outlined above have neat solutions if cover letters become first-class citizens, with a Jujutsu twist. A first-class cover letter starts off as a prototype for a merge request, and becomes the eventual merge commit. Instead of unhelpful auto-generated merge commits, you get helpful and informative messages. No extra work is needed since we’re already writing cover letters. Good merge commit messages make good --first-parent logs. The cover letter subject line works as a branch name. No more need to invent filename-compatible branch names! Jujutsu doesn’t make you name branches, giving them random names instead. It shows the subject line of the topmost commit as a reminder of what the branch is for. If there’s an explicit cover letter the subject line will be a better summary of the branch as a whole. I often find the last commit on a branch is some post-feature cleanup, and that kind of commit has a subject line that is never a good summary of its feature branch. As a prototype for the merge commit, the cover letter can contain the resolution of all the merge conflicts in a way that can be shared and reviewed. In Jujutsu, where conflicts are first class, the cover letter commit can contain unresolved conflicts: you don’t have to clean them up when creating the merge, you can leave that job until later. If you can share a prototype of your merge commit, then it becomes possible for your collaborators to review any merge conflicts and how you resolved them. To distinguish a cover letter from a merge commit object, a cover letter object has a “target” header which is a special kind of parent header. A cover letter also has a normal parent commit header that refers to earlier commits in the feature branch. The target is what will become the first parent of the eventual merge commit. previous branch The other ingredient is to add a “previous branch” header, another special kind of parent commit header. The previous branch header refers to an older version of the cover letter and, transitively, an older version of the whole feature branch. Typically the previous branch header will match the last shared version of the branch, i.e. the commit hash of the server’s copy of the feature branch. The previous branch header isn’t changed during normal work on the feature branch. As the branch is revised and rebased, the commit hash of the cover letter will change fairly frequently. These changes are recorded in git’s reflog or jj’s oplog, but not in the “previous branch” chain. You can use the previous branch chain to examine diffs between versions of the feature branch as a whole. If commits have Gerrit-style or jj-style change-IDs then it’s fairly easy to find and compare previous versions of an individual commit. The previous branch header supports interdiff code review, or allows you to retain past iterations of a patch series. workflow Here are some sketchy notes on how these features might work in practice. One way to use cover letters is jj-style, where it’s convenient to edit commits that aren’t at the tip of a branch, and easy to reshuffle commits so that a branch has a deliberate narrative. When you create a new feature branch, it starts off as an empty cover letter with both target and parent pointing at the same commit. Alternatively, you might start a branch ad hoc, and later cap it with a cover letter. If this is a small change and rebase + fast-forward is allowed, you can edit the “cover letter” to contain the whole change. Otherwise, you can hack on the branch any which way. Shuffle the commits that should be part of the merge request so that they occur before the cover letter, and edit the cover letter to summarize the preceding commits. When you first push the branch, there’s (still) no need to give it a name: the server can see that this is (probably) going to be a new merge request because the top commit has a target branch and its change-ID doesn’t match an existing merge request. Also when you push, your client automatically creates a new instance of your cover letter, adding a “previous branch” header to indicate that the old version was shared. The commits on the branch that were pushed are now immutable; rebases and edits affect the new version of the branch. During review there will typically be multiple iterations of the branch to address feedback. The chain of previous branch headers allows reviewers to see how commits were changed to address feedback, interdiff style. The branch can be merged when the target header matches the current trunk and there are no conflicts left to resolve. When the time comes to merge the branch, there are several options: For a merge workflow, the cover letter is used to make a new commit on the trunk, changing the target header into the first parent commit, and dropping the previous branch header. Or, if you like to preserve more history, the previous branch chain can be retained. Or you can drop the cover letter and fast foward the branch on to the trunk. Or you can squash the branch on to the trunk, using the cover letter as the commit message. questions This is a fairly rough idea: I’m sure that some of the details won’t work in practice without a lot of careful work on compatibility and deployability. Do the new commit headers (“target” and “previous branch”) need to be headers? What are the compatibility issues with adding new headers that refer to other commits? How would a server handle a push of an unnamed branch? How could someone else pull a copy of it? How feasible is it to use cover letter subject lines instead of branch names? The previous branch header is doing a similar job to a remote tracking branch. Is there an opportunity to simplify how we keep a local cache of the server state? Despite all that, I think something along these lines could make branches / reviews / reworks / merges less awkward. How you merge should me a matter of your project’s preferred style, without interference from technical limitations that force you to trade off one annoyance against another. There remains a non-technical limitation: I have assumed that contributors are comfortable enough with version control to use a history-editing workflow effectively. I’ve lost all perspective on how hard this is for a newbie to learn; I expect (or hope?) jj makes it much easier than git rebase.

yesterday 7 votes
ARM is great, ARM is terrible (and so is RISC-V)

I’ve long been interested in new and different platforms. I ran Debian on an Alpha back in the late 1990s and was part of the Alpha port team; then I helped bootstrap Debian on amd64. I’ve got somewhere around 8 Raspberry Pi devices in active use right now, and the free NNCPNET Internet email service … Continue reading ARM is great, ARM is terrible (and so is RISC-V) →

2 days ago 4 votes