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So an embarrassing amount of time ago (Feburary 17?) I gave a talk for the undergraduate math club titled “What is Algebraic Geometry, and Why Should You Care?”. I think it went quite well, and the audience seemed like they had a good time. I really wanted to have the talk recorded, since this is exactly the kind of talk I would have wanted to see as an undergrad and I think it should be available to more people. Unfortunately we weren’t able to make it happen, so we’ll have to wait until the next time I give this talk1. I actually told the audience that I would have a blog post with the slides posted later that night, but uh… clearly that didn’t happen, haha. In my defense, I really wanted to add some sage code to this post in order to replicate some of the demos that I did during the talk, and to let readers play around with some of this stuff themselves. I never really built up the energy to write those demos, and I picked up two more projects along the way2 so the post never got made. Well the other day I bumped into some students from the math club, and they teased me for never posting the slides! To be totally honest, I was surprised that they had noticed, haha. I’m happy to see that people were actually interested in reading them, so that interaction was exactly the motivation I needed to finally post this! The unfortunate fact, though, is that I’m still to busy to really make the demos as nice as I would like to… So we’re going to have to go without. You can see the kind of thing I would have made at an old blog post here, and you can imagine 3d versions of some of the pictures in the slides. As a quick summary of what’s in the talk, I make an analogy to linear algebra (which is about as elementary as I think you can go while still giving an honest look into how the machinery works). Here we study a close connection between the algebra of linear equations and the geometry of linear subspaces! We can build a dictionary between these two...
1st May 2023

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Is a Random Perfect Group Nontrivial?

So it’s finals season, and earlier today some of the younger grad students were asking me for help studying for their topology finals. One of their practice problems was to build a cell complex with one 0-cell, two 1-cells, and two 2-cells which has nontrivial $\pi_1$ but trivial $H_1$. In principle, this isn’t very hard to do – I encourage you to think about it for a while to see what kind of group you’re looking for… Then see if you can look in the literature for a source of such a group. Last chance to think about it yourself… Ok, the fact that we have two 1-cells means our fundamental group will have two generators, say $a$ and $b$. Then the two 2-cells will give us two relations, say $R$ and $S$. Since we know that $H_1$ is the abelianization of $\pi_1$, this means we’re looking for a perfect group with a presentation by two generators and two relations. If you try to build one by hand for a while (and I encourage you to try!), it’s actually somewhat difficult to do! I ended up looking up “small presentations of perfect groups” (or something like this) and quickly found Campbell, Kawamata, Miyamoto, Robertson, and Williams’s Deficiency Zero Presentations for Certain Perfect Groups which is full of examples1. I also posted about this on mastodon, and Omar Antolín had a characteristically helpful response! He mentioned that the binary icosahedral group gets the job done2, and these relations are the kind of thing you have a chance of finding by hand! This brings up an interesting question, though – In some sense you would expect that two “random” relations should get the job done… Obviously things can’t be completely random, since we need the abelianized relations to be a matrix with determinant $\pm 1$ – otherwise our $H_1$ will have torsion… But what if we condition on this property. Does a “random” pair of relations work? It’s been a minute since I’ve written a genuinely short blog post, and I was curious enough to write up some sage code anyways3, so I thought it could be fun to do it together! As a quick exercise: What do I mean when I say that “we need the abelianized relations to be a matrix with determinant $\pm 1$ – otherwise our $H_1$ will have torsion”? Ok, so here’s the plan: We’ll take as input a number $N$. Then we’ll iterate through all pairs of relations $R,S$ which are words in the alphabet \(\{a, a^{-1}, b, b^{-1} \}\) of length $N$ then we’ll see what fraction of those with vanishing $H_1$ also have nonvanishing $\pi_1$. If our conjecture is right then this fraction should get closer to $1$ as $N$ gets bigger. Let’s do it! = FreeGroup() W = FiniteWords('abAB') def letterToGroup(c): if c == 'a': return a if c == 'b': return b if c == 'A': return a^(-1) if c == 'B': return b^(-1) def wordToReln(w): return prod([letterToGroup(c) for c in w]) # Bail on the computation if it takes longer than 30 seconds @fork(timeout=30, verbose=1) def isTrivial(G): return G.cardinality() == 1 @parallel(reseed_rng=True, ncpus=8) def testOneWord(wordLength): """ Keep building random words of length @wordLength until we get one that kills H_1. Return 0 if the word kills pi_1, and 1 if the word does not kill pi_1. Eventually we'll add these together over all our trials to get a total nontrivial count. """ while(True): R = W.random_element(length=wordLength) S = W.random_element(length=wordLength) # Check if the abelianization is trivial by checking # if the determinant of (R^ab | S^ab) is +/- 1 det = (R.count('a') - R.count('A')) * (S.count('b') - S.count('B')) - \ (R.count('b') - R.count('B')) * (S.count('a') - S.count('A')) if abs(det) != 1: continue else: G = F / [wordToReln(R), wordToReln(S)] isTriv = isTrivial(G) if isTriv == 'NO DATA (timed out)': continue elif isTriv: if random() This basically does exactly what you expect, haha. The main things to take note of are the @fork decorator when checking if a group is trivial. Since this is undecidable in general we bail on the computation if it lasts longer than thirty seconds… This creates some serious overhead on each loop, which is basically the same overhead involved in parallelising… So we might as well parallelise! This is what the @parallel decorator does. My laptop only has a measly 8 cores, so that’s how many I tell it to use. The reseed_rng flag is to make sure each process gets its own RNG, otherwise our 10,000 “random” runs will all be the same! So what does the final scatter plot look like? The trend is definitely upwards, which makes sense. Interestingly the code only starts seeing examples once the relations have length $7$. The smallest example I’m aware of is the binary icosahedral group that Omar told me about, which happens to have two relations of length $7$! Even with relations of length $17$, though, only a tiny $0.4\%$ of the samples with trivial $H_1$ had an interesting $\pi_1$… I still think that this ratio should approach $1$ as the size of the relations gets large? But I was really hoping this data would be more suggestive, haha. That said, there’s a lot of problems with the data! My laptop starts to struggle after $N=8$, which corresponds to relations of length $17$. I’ve uploaded the raw output if you’re interested in looking at it, but the main thing to note is how often we bail on computations. This is almost certainly throwing off our statistics, but I don’t really know how. After all, we’re now conditioning on both “trivial $H_1$” and “can be checked to be (non)trivial in at most 30 seconds on my ten year old laptop”. Here’s a table: Relation Length Nontrivial $\pi_1$ Total Runs Killed Computations 1 0 10000 0 3 0 10000 0 5 0 10000 0 7 8 10000 0 9 10 10000 2 11 18 10000 19 13 27 10000 183 15 34 9998 664 17 47 9995 1726 So at this point the possible error we’re incurring by killing computations that take longer than $30$ seconds is dwarfing the number of groups we’re able to quickly prove are (non)trivial. Plus when we kill computations there seems to be a small chance that GAP throws some kind of exception that I’m not sure how to handle… This is the reason some later runs have slightly fewer than $10,000$ trials. I thought about increasing the timeout to a minute, or even five minutes, and running it again overnight to see if we can push things a bit further? But I decided I don’t really care, haha. I’m supposed to be writing a thesis, after all. Further optimizing this would make a great project for somebody else to try, though! I think that it should be quite easy to get better data, and a lot of it! If you decide to look into this, definitely reach out and let me know what you find ^_^. In that vein, here’s a few take-home problems that you might want to play around with. They all look fun (at least to me) and if I had the time to spend I would probably think about them for a few weeks. Can you further optimize this code to get more data? There’s a few obvious things to try: writing in pure GAP, rather than a python package somehow checking triviality without computing the cardinality of a nontrivial group have a better computer than me, with lots of cores for parallel computation You might have noticed that all our trials were on odd relation lengths… Experimentally it looks like even relation lengths never give perfect groups! It’s pretty easy to prove that this really is the case. I’ll include a quick proof in a spoiler tag, but you might want to play around with it yourself for a minute. solution We know there's $2n$ many letters in each of the relations $R$ and $S$, coming from the alphabet $\{a,A,b,B\}$. We'll write $R_a$ for the number of times $a$ shows up in $R$, and similarly for $S_B$, etc. Then working mod $2$ we have $$R_a + R_A + R_b + R_B = 2n \equiv_2 0$$ so that (remembering that $+$ and $-$ are the same mod $2$) $$R_a - R_A \equiv_2 R_b - R_B$$ Recall that the abelianization of $G = \langle a,b \mid R, S \rangle$ vanishes if and only if the following matrix has determinant $\pm 1$: $$ \begin{pmatrix} R_a - R_A & S_a - S_A \\ R_b - R_B & S_b - S_B \end{pmatrix} $$ but working mod $2$ again and using the above observation say that $R_a - R_A \equiv_2 x \equiv_2 R_b - R_B$ and $S_a - S_A \equiv_2 y \equiv_2 S_b - S_B$. Then the mod-2 determinant of the above matrix is $xy - xy = 0$ so that this matrix can never have determinant $\pm 1$! For a harder problem, which I don’t know how to solve, you might ask if the fraction of presentations with nontrivial $\pi_1$ approaches $1$ at all! Or even better, you might ask what the asymptotic behavior is as the number of relations gets large! I asked about this on mathoverflow today, and I’m very excited to see what people have to say! I really don’t know much combinatorial group theory, so no matter what the conversation turns into I’m quite likely to learn something. Alright! This is my first really short blog post in… quite a while, haha. I wrote the code pretty quickly, and once I figured out how to get the long computation to time out properly (and let it run all evening yesterday) the rest of the post came together in like two hours. I love problems like this, so it was easy to get nerdsniped by it. Now it’s back to checking some details for my thesis. Next week is spring break, so I’m hoping to really sit down and get a lot done before teaching starts back up. OH! And that reminds me! I mentioned this in a draft for a blog post on representation theory in analysis, but I haven’t mentioned it anywhere that’s live yet, so I should say it here! I got a postdoc!! 🎉🎉 This Fall I’ll be going to Montana State University to work with Sam Gunningham, David Ayala, and probably Ryan Grady too. I’ll be thinking about all sorts of fun things like factorization homology, “quantum” geometric langlands, topological field theories, and more! Everyone at the MSU campus has been so nice to me, and even though I’m an island girlie through and through I’m oddly excited to experience real winter for the first time in my life, haha. I’m tearing up a little bit writing this because I’m so happy to get to go there and work with them. Alright, thanks for reading everyone! It’s back to the dissertation grind now, but this was really fun to think about for a day or two. Stay safe, and we’ll talk soon 💖 As an aside, this search also pulled up Bray, Conder, Leedham-Green, and O’Brien’s Short presentations for alternating and symmetric groups which shows how to get presentations for alternating and symmetric groups with 2 generators and $\mathsf{PolyLog(n)}$ many relations (at least that’s my understanding – I haven’t read this paper closely at all). This really scratches some kind of asymptotic computer science itch in my brain! ↩ He also mentioned he knows about this group because it’s the fundamental group of the Poincaré homology sphere! This makes it especially reasonable that he might have thought of it, since the original context for this problem is about a cell complex with $\pi_1$ but no $H_1$, and that’s exactly (one of) the defining properties of the homology sphere! ↩ Checking if a presentation gives the trivial group is famously impossible, but since we’re restricting ourselves to two generators and two relations I’m hopeful that sage can handle these cases for us! ↩

20th Mar 2026 1 votes
Talk -- Factorization Homology and Quantum Character Stacks

Today Yesterday in the Representation Theory Seminar at UCR I gave a talk about Factorization Homology and how it lets us compute a “Quantum Character Stack”. This is all based on a great paper, Integrating Quantum Groups Over Surfaces by Ben-Zvi, Brochier, and Jordan, which I’ve been reading and rereading for the last few years. It’s been a while since I’ve written up my thoughts after a talk, so I figured I’d do that here to take a break from thesis writing. I have an old post going through a talk I gave on factorization homology almost exactly 2 years ago back in March 2024, which might give a longer perspective on these ideas. I’m going to be fairly terse here because I want to get to the fun computation (which I’ll put in a sister post), and I also want to write this in just a few hours. The talk was kind of a whirlwild, haha. Especially for my audience, I needed to explain some basics about stacks and the rough idea of factorization homology before I could even hope to get to the actual definition of the quantum character stack! That’s a big ask for an hour long talk, but I think I did alright. I asked my friend Shane how he thought it went, and he very graciously said that I did a good job telling a story and showing that some could, in the abstract, compute things like this… but I didn’t actually show the audience how they can compute with it. I think that’s a fair review, and is pretty consistent with my experience writing and giving the talk. Every professor that I talked to said that it was really good, though, which made me happy. Thankfully that’s also pretty consistent with my experience giving the talk, haha. I’ve given other really dense talks before, and I remember coming off a bit… energetic, lol. I was pleased that I think I managed to fit a lot of material into this talk while still appearing somewhat collected at the white board. If nothing else, I didn’t end the talk out of breath, haha. Anyways, enough about my thoughts, let’s get to the talk itself! The beginning of the talk was meant to motivate stacks to the audience – particularly some younger grad students who have asked me about them before. I actually have a looooong post about stacks in the works, where I talk about how to think of them, how to compute with them, and why you might care. I’ve had to put it on the back burner while I work on my thesis, but hopefully some day I’ll finish it up, since I have a lot of Thoughts™. Given a surface $\Sigma$ and a reductive group $G$, we would like to have a space whose points are representations of $\pi_1 \Sigma$ valued in $G$. To do this we can look at $\text{Hom}(\pi_1 \Sigma, G)$ and then quotient out by “change of basis” given by conjugation in $G$. This has the extra benefit of removing the reliance of $\pi_1 \Sigma$ on a choice of base point, since a change of base point leads to a conjugate representation. There are a few things you could mean by the quotient $\text{Hom}(\pi_1 \Sigma, G) \big / G$. The first and most naive is to literally take the space and quotient out by the orbit equivalence relation. This gives a space that isn’t even Hausdorff (and it makes a nice exercise to see why!) so this isn’t great. The more subtle approaches are both based on the observation that a function on $X \big / G$ should be the same thing as a $G$-equivariant function on $X$. If you haven’t seen this before it’s worth taking a second to think about why this should be true! If you’re a 20th century algebraic geometer you would define the Character Variety $\text{Ch}(\Sigma,G)$ as \(\text{Spec} \big (\mathcal{O}(\text{Hom}(\pi_1 \Sigma, G))^G \big )\). This literally means “the space whose ring of functions is $G$-equivariant functions on $\text{Hom}(\pi_1 \Sigma,G)$”. If you’re a 21st century geometer, you’re likely to de-emphasize $\mathbb{C}$-valued functions on $X$ (like $\mathcal{O}(X)$) for $\mathsf{Vect}_\mathbb{C}$-valued functions. These assign a vector space to every point in a way that “varies smoothly”, and the way to make this precise is via sheaves! So you find yourself interested in something like $\text{QCoh}(X)$. In this case, you might want to define the Character Stack $\underline{\text{Ch}}(\Sigma,G)$ to be “the space whose category of quasicoherent sheaves is $G$-equivariant sheaves on $\text{Hom}(\pi_1 \Sigma, G)$”. It turns out that these two spaces are generally not the same! Let’s look at the simplest case where $\Sigma$ is just a disk. Then $\pi_1 \Sigma$ is the trivial group, so $\text{Hom}(\pi_1 \Sigma, G)$ is a point, with ring of functions given by $\mathbb{C}$. Then the $G$-action on this space (and this on the ring of functions) is trivial, so that the $G$-equivariant functions are still $\mathbb{C}$ and $\text{Ch}(\text{Disk},G) = \star$ is a point. In particular, its category of quasicoherent sheaves is just $\mathsf{Vect}$. But what about the character stack $\underline{\text{Ch}}(\text{Disk},G)$? Well now we define its category of quasicoherent sheaves to be $G$-equivariant sheaves on $\text{Hom}(\pi_1 \Sigma, G) = \star$. So this is $\mathsf{Vect}^G$, which is not $\mathsf{Vect}$! Indeed, when we say that a vector space is $G$-equivariant, what do we mean? We mean that $g \cdot V$ should be “the same as $V$” for every $g \in G$, but the notion of sameness for vector spaces is isomorphism! So saying that $g \cdot V$ is “the same as $V$” is saying we have isomorphisms $\varphi_g : g \cdot V \cong V$. Of course, $G$ is still acting trivially on $\text{Hom}(\pi_1 \Sigma, G) = \star$, so $g \cdot V = V$ and so $\varphi_g$ is an isomorphism of $V$ with itself! These isomorphisms are supposed to be compatible, so we find that $\mathsf{Vect}^G$, the category of $G$-equivariant vector spaces, is actually the category $\text{Rep}(G)$ of vector spaces equipped with a $G$-action! The space whose category of sheaves in $\text{Rep}(G)$ is usually called $\mathsf{B}G$, and we’ll do this too1. The character stack is better behaved in certain ways. It’s smooth (in a stacky sense) while the character variety usually isn’t2 (this is why it’s common to restrict to a “smooth locus” containing most representations). Moreover, the character stack for $\Sigma$ can be computed by gluing together the character stacks on an open cover for $\Sigma$, while the character variety has no such nice local-to-global property. The character variety also relies crucially on $G$ being reductive, while the character stack works for all groups $G$. It’s a famous result of Goldman that the smooth locus of the character variety admits a symplectic structure, which quantizes to the ($G$-)skein algebra for $\Sigma$! It turns out the character stack also admits a symplectic structure (in a stacky sense) and it’s natural to want to quantize this too. It should have something to do with skein theory… But what? Let’s change topic for a moment and talk about Factorization Homology. Again, we’ll be much more terse here than we probably should be. The notion of an $E_n$-algebra in a monoidal $k$-category $\mathcal{C}$ interpolates between noncommutative algebras ($E_1$) and commutative algebras ($E_\infty$). When $n \gt k$ these stabilize so that $E_{k+1}$ algebras are already “fully commutative”. Since we spend a lot of time working in $1$-categories (like $\mathsf{Set}$ and $\mathsf{Vect}$) we only really see the distinction between $E_1$ (noncommutative algebras) and $E_2 = E_\infty$ (commutative algebras). However, if we work in a familiar $2$-category like $\mathsf{Cat}$ then we can see a bit further! Now an $E_1$-algebra is a monoidal category, an $E_2$-algebra is a braided monoidal category, and an $E_3 = E_\infty$-algebra is a symmetric monoidal category. At this point in the talk I said some words introducing braided monoidal categories and why they might be called that, but it’s starting to get late so I think I won’t say those words now. You can read all about this somewhere like here. Precisely, let $\mathsf{Disk}^n$ be the ($\infty$-)category whose objects are disjoint unions of $n$-disks and whose morphisms are (spaces of) smooth embeddings. Then a functor from $\mathsf{Disk}^n \to \mathcal{C}$ which sends disjoint union to the tensor product in $\mathcal{C}$ is exactly an $E_n$-algebra in $\mathcal{C}$! Since $\text{Disk}^n$ is a full subcategory of the category of all $n$-manifolds with smooth embeddings, we can try to extend a functor $\text{Disk}^n \to \mathcal{C}$ (read: an $E_n$-algebra $A$) to a functor $\text{Man}^n \to \mathcal{C}$. The free way to do this is via left Kan extension, and this is how we define factorization homology! The “factorization homology of $M$ with coefficients in $A$”, denoted by $\int_M A$, is defined to be the value of the left Kan extension $\text{Lan}(A)$ on $M$. This admits a “pointwise” formula to compute it, but it’s much much better to use excision! Like any good homology theory, factorization homology has a notion of Mayer-Vietoris for computation. At this point I included a computation of $\int_{S^1} A$ for an algebra $A$ in $\mathsf{Vect}$ and showed that it recovers the Hochschild homology $HH_0(A)$. Even though I was starting to run out of time, I couldn’t help but mention one of my favorite facts about this too! If you view $A$ as an algebra in chain complexes which happens to be concentrated in degree $0$ then $\int_{S^1} A$ instead computes a derived enhancement, which happens to be $CHH_\bullet(A)$ – the entire complex of Hochschild chains! Since factorization homology is functorial and $S^1$ acts on itself, we get an induced $S^1$-action on $CHH_\bullet(A)$. An $S^1$-action on a chain complex is the data of a new differential on that complex, and it’s natural to ask what differential we get on Hochschild homology from this game! Well the HKR theorem says that $HH_\bullet(A)$ is the algebraic de Rham complex on $\text{Spec}(A)$ (when $A$ is commutative), and the differential coming from this $S^1$-action is exactly the de Rham differential! Again, I think I want to finish this post up quickly, so I won’t include a copy of this computation here… I feel bad about it, though, so I’ll say that this is done in Hiro Tanaka’s fantastic series of talks starting here. At this point we’re finally ready to bring the threads together! One of the main ideas in the Integrating Quantum Groups Over Surfaces paper is that The computation I’m including in the sister post is a very explicit very special case of this computation where you can really get your hands on everything. Well… I at least sketch it, haha. You can see if you read that post. I originally planned to include this computation in the talk, but at this point I only had about 5 minutes left and I wanted to make sure I said something about the quantum character stacks in the title of the talk! The point is that $\text{Rep}(G)$ is symmetric monoidal, so is an $E_\infty$ algebra, but we’re only integrating it over the measly $2$-manifold $\Sigma$! So we could get by with an $E_2$-algebra, which is less commutative! Working in $\mathsf{Cat}$ this means we want a braided monoidal category, and my favorite example is the category $\text{Rep}_q(G)$ of representations of a quantum group! So now we see what to do: Generalizing the above formula, we want to say that But what does this really mean? Remember earlier when I said that the 21st century approach to geometry is to focus on the (derived) category of sheaves? Well just like Grothendieck said that every (commutative) ring should count as functions on a space, we might bravely hope that every dg-category should be sheaves on a space! It turns out that one can push this idea very far, and this is one of the modern approaches to Noncommutative Geometry. See, for example, Kontsevich’s fantastic article Geometry in dg-Categories from the equally fantastic book New Spaces in Mathematics – every chapter is a banger. This “noncommutative” perspective on geometry is what will let us make sense of the quantum character stack as a geometric object, even though we really only have access to what its category of sheaves should be. At this point I basically had to stop the talk, but I rushed to say a few last minute things that I hoped would convince the audience that this is something that you can get your hands on. Obviously I mentioned Juliet Cooke’s thesis, where she shows that there’s a concrete skein category defined in terms of tangles in the thickened $\Sigma \times I$ modulo local relations coming from the quantum group $G_q$. This should be compared to the classical skein algebra which is defined in terms of links in $\Sigma \times I$ modulo those same local relations. It turns out that this skein category presents the quantum character stack in the sense that the factorization homology $\int_\Sigma \text{Rep}_q(G)$ is the cocompletion of the skein category. Also, the Barr-Beck yoga says that any category which looks like a category of algebras should be one, and indeed there’s an algebra object3 \(A_\Sigma\) in \(\text{Rep}_q(G)\) so that \(\int_\Sigma \text{Rep}_q(G)\) is “just” a category of modules over \(A_\Sigma\) (internal to \(\text{Rep}_q(G)\), of course) and from a combinatorial presentation of $\Sigma$ Ben-Zvi, Brochier, and Jordan are able to compute explicit presentations of this internal algebra! Alright, it’s a quick epilogue today. I would normally put the title, abstract, and slides here, but because it was an internal seminar and I gave a chalk talk I actually have none of those things, haha4. Thanks for hanging out, everyone! It feels good to write about something that’s not my thesis, and I’m excited to go and write the sister post with this computation! That will have to wait a bit, though, since now it’s dinner time (I succeeded in writing this post in about three hours) and then I’m going climbing with some friends. Stay safe, and we’ll chat soon ^_^. You might be familiar with a different notion of $\mathsf{B}G$ from homotopy theory. In that world you take a contractible space with a free $G$-action and then quotient by it to get a “classifying space” where maps from $X$ to $\mathsf{B}G$ are principal $G$-bundles on $X$. Up to homotopy a contractible space is a point, so this homotopy-theoretic $\mathsf{B}G$ is also “a point quotiented by $G$” just like our algebro-geometric example. Much of the same intuition goes into thinking about these two notions of $\mathsf{B}G$, but you have to remember that their implementations are different! Since a lot of my readers are familiar with topos theory, I’ll say here that the category $G\text{-}\mathsf{Set}$ is a topos, and we often denote it by $\mathsf{B}G$ for this same reason. Indeed, the topos $\mathsf{B}G$ thinks its category of vector spaces is $\text{Rep}(G)$ so this is secretly the algebro-geometric example again. ↩ It’s a fun (but possibly tricky) exercise to compute the dimension of the tangent space at a generic point, then at the trivial representation. Remember that the tangent space to $\text{Ch}(\Sigma,G)$ at a representation $\rho : \pi_1 \Sigma \to G$ is given by the group cohomology where $\mathfrak{g}$ is a $\pi_1 \Sigma$-module by composing $\rho$ with the adjoint action of $G$ on $\mathfrak{g}$. For example let’s take $\Sigma$ to be a punctured torus, whose fundamental group is free on two generators $a$ and $b$, and let’s take $G$ to be $SL_2(\mathbb{C})$. Then a point in $\text{Ch}(\Sigma,G)$ is a representation $\rho$ up to conjugation, is a pair of matrices $A,B \in SL_2$ up to simultaneous conjugation (these are the images of $a$ and $b$ under $\rho$). Now $\mathfrak{g} = \mathfrak{sl}_2(\mathbb{C})$ is the space of $2 \times 2$ trace $0$ matrices, and the adjoint action of $G$ on $\mathfrak{g}$ is conjugation! So $\mathfrak{sl}_2$ becomes a $F_2$-module (read: a $\pi_1 \Sigma$-module) by $a \cdot M = A^{-1} M A$ and $b \cdot M = B^{-1} M B$. From here you can compute the group cohomology $H^1(F_2, \mathfrak{sl}_2)$ explicitly, and you’ll see that the generic dimension is not the dimension when $A = B = \text{Id}$. ↩ In fact this algebra comes as a kind of $\text{Rep}q(G)$-valued endomorphism object of the quantum structure sheaf… But I didn’t have time to say any of that at the end of the talk. See the _Integrating Quantum Groups Over Surfaces paper for more. ↩ Actually, writing this has reminded me that I never wrote a talk debrief for my JMM talk about Fukaya categories and my thesis work… Maybe I’ll write a very belated post about that, especially since it does have a title, an abstract, and slides! We’ll see, though. I’ve been ridiculously busy lately. ↩

20th Feb 2026 2 votes
$F_2 \times F_2$ is Incoherent -- A Polite Spectral Sequence Computation

Yesterday I watched my friend Jialin Wang defend her thesis, and as part of her background section she mentioned that the group $F_2 \times F_2$ is incoherent in the sense that it has a subgroup that’s finitely generated and not finitely presented. I was curious how one might prove something like this, and in the original paper (Stallings’s Coherence of 3-Manifolds Fundamental Groups) this fact is boiled down to an “exercise which can be performed with the help of [a] spectral sequence”. I’ve been slowly trying to make spectral sequences feel like friends, so this seemed like the perfect thing to work out quickly and turn into a blog post! I’ve been doing a lot of writing lately, with two papers that I want out by the end of the summer and a new result (which will be my thesis) that I want out by the end of the year and an NSF proposal1, and even more stuff that I’m not talking about yet… So everyone in my life has heard me do nothing but complain about writing for the last month, haha. Weirdly, though, I’ve been itching to write a blog post! Maybe because it’s so informal, or maybe because it’s something I know I can finish, or maybe it’s because I’m mainly sick of writing about the same thing all day. No matter what it is, I’m happy to be here, and happy to have the excuse to share something cool ^_^. There’s no way I can give an introduction to spectral sequences that’s better than Vakil’s notes, so I won’t even try. I highly recommend everyone give those a read at least once in your mathematical life, especially if you’re planning to do anything that might require you to actually use spectral sequences “in the wild”. Going forwards in this post, I’ll assume that you know the basics of what spectral sequences are, and how (roughly) to compute with them, but if you’re feeling brave and know a bit about homology you can probably already understand a fair amount of the post. First, though, a few words about our goal. We’re trying to show that a product of free groups, $G = F_2 \times F_2$, is not coherent. To do this, we need to find a subgroup of $G$ which is finitely generated but not finitely presented. Stalling’s original paper tells us that we should look at which is the kernel of the homomorphism This subgroup is obviously finitely generated (since we defined it in terms of $3$ generators!) so we need to show that it isn’t finitely presented! The key insight will be that Every finitely presented group has finitely generated $H_2$. $\ulcorner$ Recall that the group homology $H_\bullet(G;M)$ is isomorphic to the “usual” homology2 of its Eilenberg-MacLane Space $K(G,1)$ with coefficients in the local system associated to the $G$-module $M$. Now if $G = \langle x_1, \ldots, x_n \mid R_1, \ldots, R_m \rangle$ is finitely presented, we can explicitly build a $K(G,1)$ as follows: First add a loop for every generator $x_i$. Then each relation $R_i$ is a word in the generators, thus is a loop in our space, and we glue in a disk with boundary given by $R_i$. Note that this makes the loop vanish in $\pi_1$ so that we’ve forced the fundamental group of this space to be $G$. Finally we inductively add in higher cells to kill the higher homotopy groups, since we want our $K(G,1)$ to be aspherical. Now we compute $H_2(G;\mathbb{Z}) = H_2(K(G,1); \mathbb{Z})$ using this description of the cell structure of $K(G,1)$. Since $G = \langle x_1, \ldots, x_n \mid R_1, \ldots, R_m \rangle$ was finitely presented, we see that there’s $n$ many $1$-cells and $m$-many $2$-cells in $K(G,1)$. So the group of $2$-cycles is a subgroup of $\mathbb{Z}^m$, the free abelian group on our (finite) set of $2$-cells, and is itself finitely generated. Quotienting out the boundaries gives $H_2$, so we win since the quotient of a finitely generated group is still finitely generated.3 $\lrcorner$ So, to show that our \(N = \langle a, c, bd \rangle \trianglelefteq F\{a,b\} \times F\{c,d\}\) isn’t finitely presented, we just have to show its $H_2$ isn’t finitely generated. We can simplify the discussion by computing $H_2(N; \mathbb{Q})$ instead, since fields make homological algebra much easier and the dimension of $H_2(N; \mathbb{Q})$ (as a $\mathbb{Q}$-vector space) is a lower bound on the number of generators for $H_2(N;\mathbb{Z})$ (do you see why?4). So with this in mind It suffices to show that $H_2(N; \mathbb{Q})$ is not finite dimensional as a $\mathbb{Q}$-vector space! Unless otherwise stated, all homology groups have coefficients in $\mathbb{Q}$ (with the trivial action) for the rest of this post. If we could find some nice description of the isomorphism type of $N$ then we could maybe compute its $H_2$ directly… But why spend the effort looking? We already have a short exact sequence and the homologies of $F_2 \times F_2$ and $\mathbb{Z}$ should be easier to compute by hand. Experience shows there should be some way to relate the homologies of $N$, $F_2 \times F_2$, and $\mathbb{Z}$, and indeed we’re saved by the Hochschild-Serre Spectral Sequence! This says that whenever we have a short exact sequence we get a spectral sequence relating the homology of $G$ to the homologies of $Q$ and $N$. See Ch. VII.6 in Brown’s classic textbook for more details. Concretely this means that we can compute the homology of $G$ in terms of “nested” homology groups: $Q$ acts on $N$ by conjugation, and this induces an action of $Q$ on $H_q(N)$ – thus it makes sense to look at the homology of $Q$ with coefficients in $H_q(N)$! The spectral sequence gives a close relationship between $H_n(G)$ and the collection of “nested” homologies $H_p(Q; H_q(N))$ with $p+q = n$. Precisely, the $E^2$-page of the spectral sequence is In our case, we know that $Q = \mathbb{Z}$ has particularly simple homology. Recall that a $\mathbb{Q}\mathbb{Z}$-module is just a $\mathbb{Q}$-vector space $V$ with a $\mathbb{Z}$ action. That is, it’s just a vector space $V$ with a choice of automorphism $\varphi \in GL(V)$. For any $\mathbb{Q}\mathbb{Z}$-module $(V, \varphi)$, we compute \(H_\bullet(\mathbb{Z}; V) = \begin{cases} V_\mathbb{Z} = V \big / (1-\varphi) V & \bullet = 0 \\ V^\mathbb{Z} = \text{Ker}(1-\varphi) & \bullet = 1 \\ 0 & \text{otherwise} \end{cases}\) $\ulcorner$ Writing $\mathbb{Q}[t^\pm]$ for $\mathbb{Q}\mathbb{Z}$, we build a free resolution of $\mathbb{Q}$ This tells us that $H_\bullet(\mathbb{Z}; V)$ is the homology of where $t$ acts by the automorphism $\varphi$, giving the claim. $\lrcorner$ In case $V$ is finite dimensional (as a $\mathbb{Q}$ vector space), then it’s easy to see that $\dim V^\mathbb{Z} = \dim \text{Ker} (1 - \varphi)$ and $\dim V_\mathbb{Z} = \dim \left ( V \big / \text{Im}(1 - \varphi) \right ) = \dim V - \dim \text{Im}(1 - \varphi)$ are equal, so that these two vector spaces are isomorphic. In case $V$ is infinite dimensional, though, this can fail! Let $V = \mathbb{Q}[t^\pm]$, of countable dimension, and let $\varphi$ be the (invertible) “multiply by $t$” operator. The fixed points $V^\mathbb{Z}$ of this operator are the laurent polynomials $p$ so that $p = t \cdot p$ (read: so that $(1-t) \cdot p = 0$), and the only option is $p=0$. The co-fixed points $V_\mathbb{Z}$ are given by $V \big / (1-t)$ which is isomorphic to $\mathbb{Q}$. So $V^\mathbb{Z}$ is $0$-dimensional and $V_\mathbb{Z}$ is $1$-dimensional. When $V$ is finite dimensional as a $\mathbb{Q}$-vector space we compute as vector spaces. So if these are not isomorphic, then $V$ must be infinite dimensional! This lets us start evaluating the terms of our spectral sequence: becomes Moreover, we know that our $H_0(N; \mathbb{Q}) = \mathbb{Q}$ and $H_1(N; \mathbb{Q}) = N_\text{ab} \otimes \mathbb{Q} = \mathbb{Q}^3$, since the abelianization of $N = \langle a, c, bd \rangle$ is isomorphic to $\mathbb{Z}^3$. While we’re here we can compute that the conjugation action of $Q = \mathbb{Z}$ on $N$ induces the trivial action on $H_0(N)$ and $H_1(N)$. Since $Q = \mathbb{Z}$ is generated by the image of $b$, the conjugation action on $N$ is literally conjugation by $b$. On the generators we compute $a \mapsto b^{-1} a b = (bd)^{-1} a (bd)$ $c \mapsto b^{-1} c b = c$ $bd \mapsto b^{-1} (bd) b = bd$ In $H_0(N) = \mathbb{Q}$ the group $N$ doesn’t even make an appearance, so the induced action is trivial. On $H_1(N) = N_\text{ab} \otimes \mathbb{Q}$ we need to see what the conjugation action induces on the abelianization, but that becomes trivial since in $N_\text{ab}$ we have $(bd)^{-1} a (bd) = a$. Since the $\mathbb{Z}$-action is trivial on $H_0(N) = \mathbb{Q}$ and $H_1(N) = \mathbb{Q}^3$ we learn that $H_0(N)_\mathbb{Z} = H_0(N)^\mathbb{Z} = \mathbb{Q}$ $H_1(N)_\mathbb{Z} = H_1(N)^\mathbb{Z} = \mathbb{Q}^3$ So the $E^2$ page of our spectral sequence further reduces to The differential on the $E^2$ page points “up two, left one”, so we see that every differential is $0$. In fact it’s easy to see that all futher differentials vanish so that this is actually the $E^\infty$ page of our spectral sequence! General theory tells us that $H_n(G) = \bigoplus_{p+q = n} E^\infty_{pq}$, so we can compute $H_n(F_2 \times F_2)$ by summing over the $n$th diagonal in the above table. Of course, $H_n(F_2 \times F_2)$ is easy enough to compute by hand using the Künneth formula and the fact that $K(F_2, 1) = S^1 \vee S^1$ is a bouquet with two petals5. So we can compute it in two ways (directly via Künneth and “indirectly” via the spectral sequence) and compare to see what it tells us about $H_\bullet(N)$! In particular, we learn (the left isomorphism comes from Künneth and the right isomorphism comes from the spectral sequence): From the $H_2(F_2 \times F_2)$ computation, we learn that \(H_2(N)_\mathbb{Z}\) must be $1$ dimensional. But from the $H_3(F_2 \times F_2)$ computation we learn that $H_2(N)^\mathbb{Z}$ must be $0$ dimensional! Since the invariants and coinvariants have different diemnsions, our earlier discussion shows that $H_2(N)$ must be infinite dimensional! This means $N$ cannot have been finitely presented, as desired ^_^. Let’s take a second to reflect on what just happened, since there were a decent number of moving parts. We wanted to show that \(N = \langle a, c, bd \rangle \leq F\{a,b\} \times F\{c,d\}\) is not finitely presented. First, we showed that every finitely presented group $G$ has finitely generated $H_2(G;\mathbb{Z})$ (using a concrete model of $K(G,1)$) so that it suffices to show $H_2(N; \mathbb{Z})$ is infinitely generated. Since the dimension of $H_2(N;\mathbb{Q})$ is a lower bound for the number of $\mathbb{Z}$-generators, we can work over a field and show that $H_2(N; \mathbb{Q})$ is infinite dimensional. Next, we showed that $H_2(N)$ comes with a natural $\mathbb{Z}$ action, and argued that $H_2(N)$ must be infinite dimensional if the invariants and coinvariants $H_2(N)^\mathbb{Z}$ and \(H_2(N)_\mathbb{Z}\) have different dimensions. Finally, using the Hochschild-Serre spectral sequence, we were able to compute that $H_2(N)_\mathbb{Z}$ is one dimensional while $H_2(N)^\mathbb{Z}$ is zero dimensional. This shows that $H_2(N)$ must be infinite dimensional, and we win! This is a clever trick, and a fairly subtle one! It’s something I’ll have to try to remember, since the obvious approach is to try and compute the (co)invariants explicitly, but I’m not even sure6 how to compute the $\mathbb{Z}$-action on $H_2(N)$! This lets you get your hands on the infinite-dimensionality indirectly, which feels very useful. Thanks for hanging out, everyone! It’s wild to think that just a short week ago I was in Bozeman, Montana meeting a bunch of cool people and giving a talk about my thesis. Then all in a row over labor day weekend I had two little dinner parties and went to the beach to swim with leopard sharks! It wasn’t very productive, but it was extremely good for the soul, haha. Now I have a few short days to try and get more done before I fly to Chicago for the Fall School on Quantizations and Lagrangians. Take care all, and stay safe. We’ll talk soon 💖 On the off chance the NSF still exists next year ↩ Depending on which book you read, this is either a definition or a theorem. See, for instance, the Introduction or Chapter II.4 in Brown’s book on Group Cohomology. ↩ In fact, there’s a whole hierarchy of finiteness conditions on a group $G$. We say that a group $G$ is “of type $F_n$” if its $K(G,1)$ has a finite $n$-skeleton. That is, if there’s only finitely many $0$-cells, finitely many $1$-cells, …, and finitely many $n$-cells. In the body we really showed that being finitely presented means being type $F_2$… Well, we showed half of this. Showing the converse (that $F_2$-groups are finitely presented) isn’t so hard either, and uses essentially the same idea. Note that being type $F_2$ implies that $H_2$ is finitely generated, since (as we said in the main body) then $H_2$ is a quotient of a subgroup of a finitely generated abelian group. But even if $G$ isn’t of type $F_2$, then $H_2$ might “accidentally” be finitely generated, if we have a big generating set but then quotient out by a similarly big set of boundaries. In fact, this really does happen! Bestvina and Brady constructed a group whose $H_2$ is finitely generated (indeed, whose $H_n$ is finitely generated for all $n$) yet which is not finitely presented! See Morse Theory and Finiteness Properties of Groups ↩ The universal coefficient theorem promises $H_2(N;\mathbb{Q}) = H_2(N;\mathbb{Z}) \otimes \mathbb{Q}$, which kills any torsion subgroups (so we don’t see those generators) but keeps the free abelian part. ↩ If this isn’t obvious, it’s a fantastic exercise in algebraic topology! Can you compute the homology groups $H_\bullet \Big ( (S^1 \vee S^1) \times (S^1 \vee S^1) ; \mathbb{Q} \Big )$? Again, you’ll want the Künneth formula to handle the product, and then you’ll want something like Mayer-Vietoris to handle the wedge sums. To relate this to group homology, note that $K(G \times H, 1) \cong K(G, 1) \times K(H, 1)$, so that the Künneth formula also applies to group homology! ↩ Though I gave up almost immediately, since I want this post finished so I can go back to writing more important things ↩

3rd Sep 2025 39 votes
Free Things Are Complicated (Especially the Sphere Spectrum!)

I’ve spent the last week at CT2025, which has just come to a close. It was great getting to see so many old friends and meet so many new ones, and every time I go to a CT I’m reminded of just how much category theory there is in the world, as well as just how much I enjoy all of it! Right before this I was in Antwerp for some Noncommutative Geometry, where I learned a ton and met even more new friends! Then next week I go to Bonn for my third conference in a row. I’m trying to stay energetic, and thankfully I have a few days off between CT and QTMART to help me rest up! I want to write up a lot of things I learned over the last month, since I have a lot of new thoughts on noncommutative geometry, mirror symmetry, and deformation theory, all coming from just my time in Antwerp! I’ve also learned a lot at CT and talked to a lot of interesting people about interesting things, and I’m sure I’ll have even more to say after my time in Bonn. I think organizing all of those thoughts are going to take a while, though (if I end up writing them down at all), but today I have a quick observation inspired by a few lovely conversations I had with Clark Barwick at CT. One of the many questions I asked him was if there’s a conceptual reason the Sphere Spectrum (read: the homotopy groups of spheres) is so darn complicated. He gave me an answer that’s obvious in hindsight, but which totally rearranged the way I think about things: I think I internalized a while ago that “free” constructions are fairly concrete. After all, you look at the syntax of whatever object you’re interested in, quotient out by the relations you want to be true and you’re done! Plus, mapping out of a free thing is as simple as possible, since it’s a left adjoint! All you have to do is find a (usually simpler) map from your generating set to a structure of interest and let the magic of category theory build your (usually more complicated) map for you… Of course, this view is heavily influenced by the kind of free structures I have experience with, and the kinds of questions I was asking about them. I was thinking about free groups and monoids, which you can study with word combinatorics, free (dg-)algebras on (graded) vector spaces, which look like polynomials, free categories on graphs, free $k$-linear or dg-categories on categories, and free cauchy completions of these, all of which come from just looking at paths, linear combinations, concentrating things in degree $0$, or working with twisted closures to add shifts and cones and whatnot1. I was thinking about relatively free constructions like the universal enveloping algebra, with its PBW-basis, or the right angled artin group attached to a (reflexive, simple) graph… All of these constructions feel like friends to me, in part because I know how to compute with them. Why would the sphere spectrum – the free spectrum on a single point – be so different? The point is that I’ve internalized these constructions as being tractable because I’m usually mapping out of them, in the direction the category theory encourages. I’m also usually relying on serious “normal form” theorems that make computing with these things tractable, or I’m doing fairly simple combinatorics with my generating set before arguing that these extend in some obvious way to things defined on the whole free object. All of these constructions become much less friendly when you start mapping into them, or asking more difficult questions about their internal structure. In hindsight, I’ve even personally struggled with tons of questions about free structures in my research! Free groups are extremely interesting from basically any perspective, with deep questions about their first order theory (Tarski’s Problem), the combinatorics relating their generating sets (The Andrews-Curtis Conjecture), or the coarse geometry of their outer automorphisms. Free cauchy completions are obviously complicated when you want to understand them on their own terms! If you take an algebra $A$ and view it as a one-object dg-category, then its cauchy completion1 is its whole category of perfect complexes! An enormous chunk of representation theory is, in that lens, dedicated to nothing more than the study of a certain, complicated, free construction! I’ve personally given up2 on a problem about relatively free constructions in right angled artin groups! These interpolate between free and free-abelian groups, and geometric group theory is teeming with interesting open problems about raags. For instance, can you understand, at the level of the underlying graphs, when one raag will embed into another? I thought about this off and on for a year before I started working seriously with my current advisor, and I made almost no progress at all. I also spent some time working with the adjunctions It’s interesting to try and construct these explicitly, and to understand the essential images of the left adjoints. This amounts to understanding which essentially algebraic theories are actually algebraic, and which algebraic theories are actually props. One of the big difficulties here is that we have a relatively free construction which adds relations rather than just operations. Adding new operations tends to be a fairly mild thing to do – consider the free algebra on an abelian group, which sends $A$ to its tensor algebra $\bigoplus_n A^{\otimes n}$ where it’s easy to recover the $A$ you started with. If instead we want to add new relations or axioms, for instance by freely sending a group $G$ to its abelianization $G \big / [G,G]$, then we lose lots of information in this construction. After some conversations with John Baez and Todd Trimble I came quite close to characterizing the image of the left adjoint between finite product categories and symmetric monoidal categories by factoring it into a “lossy” construction adding new axioms forcing the monoidal unit to be terminal and a much simpler construction which freely adds new operations corresponding to the product projections. I’ve had to put that project on hold while I focus on my thesis work, but I really want to come back and finish it soon. Of course as soon as you’re interested in logic, you have to accept that free things are complicated! The freest version of any theory lives in its classifying category, where truth and provability coincide. Then proving anything at all about the free model gives immediate understanding about all other models of that theory! This is already true for groups, whose classifying finite-product category is just the category of finitely generated free groups and homomorphisms. We don’t usually think about it because the kinds of statements you prove in equational logic aren’t very deep. But if you look instead at the classifying topos for groups and ask geometric questions suddenly you’re able to do a lot more, and the game becomes much harder! Perhaps this is clearest in the semantics of programming languages, where the free model (often called the “term model” in this context3) is the programming language, and checking whether two terms are equal in this free model literally amounts to evaluating two programs and seeing if their respective values agree. Because of this, many important structural results about a programming language (such as canonicity) can be proven by building another model whose semantics you understand, and then producing a section of the unique map from the free model. Also coming from logic are various lattices, whose free models can be quite intricate. Famously the free modular lattice on $3$ generators has $28$ elements, while the free modular lattice on $4$ generators is infinite! Indeed, this lattice has an undecidable word problem4, so that no program can tell whether two descriptions of its elements are the same or not! Heyting algebras are extremely important for semantics of intuitionistic logic, yet already the free heyting algebra on one generator is infinite, and the free heyting algebra on two generators is famously complicated. The study of free heyting algebras is still ongoing and seems quite difficult (at least as an outsider). See, for instance, Almeida’s recent preprint Colimits and Free Constructions of Heyting Algebras through Esakia Duality. With all this in mind, it shouldn’t be surprising at all that the sphere spectrum is so complicated! It’s the free spectrum on a point, and as such the only “relations” it will have are those that hold in all spectra! But of course spectra should obviously be complicated – They control all possible (co)homology theories for all spaces! So in this sense one should expect the internal structure of the sphere spectrum to be quite complicated, since any simplification would persist to something true of all cohomology theories. Of course, it’s easy to be complicated without being interesting, and I still think it’s a bit of a miracle that the sphere spectrum should have all this intricate structure inside it. As I understand it, much of Chromatic Homotopy Theory came from trying to explain patterns in the homotopy groups of spheres, and this subject is now as famously intimidating to outsiders5 as it is famously fascinating once you put in the work to become an insider6. Thanks for reading all! This really was a quick one for once, since I already had a lot of these examples floating around in my head. I really had all of the tools to realize that free things are obviously complicated in general, especially their “internal structure” that doesn’t ride the coattails of the universal property, but for some reason I just didn’t put it together until my conversation with Clark. It’s always dangerous to say what I’m thinking about writing about, but I at least have one more short post planned from my time in Antwerp, and maybe a longer one too if I have the energy. I’m doing a ton of writing right now, since I have two half-finished papers that I want to submit by the end of the summer. I think I’ll be able to get it done, but between writing these and going to conferences it’s been a tiring month. It’s tiring in a fun way, though, and I really feel like I’ve been productive in a way that I haven’t felt in a little while. I’m excited to start crossing a lot of these projects off my long-term-todo-list, especially since I already have three more projects I want to start! Regardless, I hope you’re having a more restful summer than I am! Stay safe, all, and we’ll talk soon ^_^. Emily Roff, taken at the top of the main tower in Brno) Actually it’s not completely obvious to me that the cauchy completion of a dg-category should be its idempotent triangulated closure… The cauchy completion will certainly be idempotent complete and triangulated, but in the well-named paper Cauchy Completeness for DG-Categories, Nicolić, Street, and Tendas show that to be cauchy complete you also need to be closed under “cokernels of protosplit chain maps”… I think this is some kind of split idempotent condition? But I haven’t read the paper closely enough to know for sure. If you want to be guaranteed to be correct, instead of “cauchy completion” you can say “the idempotent closure of the twisted closure”. That’s still a free construction and it still gives you the derived category in the special case your dg-category is a ring. ↩ ↩2 At least for now ↩ Pun intended ↩ Which is made more interesting by the fact that if you look at the class of lattices coming from lattices of subgroups of abelian groups, the corresponding free lattice on $4$ generators does have solvable word problem! This is remarkable since (as I understand it) modular lattices are called that because they look like lattices of submodules (in particular, sublattices of a lattice of subgroups of an abelian group). This is apparently proven in Herrmann’s On the Equational Theory of Submodule Lattices, and I learned all this from Ralph Freese the comments of this n-Category Cafe post. ↩ Such as myself. ↩ Which it seems like I might start doing soon, for a project I’m not ready to talk about yet. ↩

20th Jul 2025 40 votes
An Empty Product of Nonempty Sets

A few days ago I saw a cute question on mse asking about a particularly non-intuitive failing of the axiom of choice. I remember when I was an undergrad talking to a friend of mine about various statements equivalent to choice, and being particularly hung up on the same statement that OP asks about – The product of nonempty sets is nonempty. I understood that there were models where the axiom of choice fails, and so in those models we must have some family of nonempty sets whose product is, somehow, empty! Now that I’m older and I’ve spent much more time thinking about these things, this is less surprising to me, but reading that question reminded me how badly I once wanted a concrete example, and so I’ll share one here! This should be a pretty quick post, since I’ll basically just be fleshing out my answer to that mse question. But I think it’ll also be nice to have here, since these things can be hard to find when you’re first getting into logic and topos theory! Let’s get to it! First, let’s remember that for any group $G$ the category $G\text{-}\mathsf{Set}$ of sets equipped with a $G$-action is a topos. Indeed you can see it as a presheaf topos, since $G\text{-}\mathsf{Set}$ is equivalent to the category of functors from $G \to \mathsf{Set}$ (viewing $G$ as a one-object category). We’ve talked about this topos before, and it’s wild to think how far I’ve come since writing that post! The basic idea of $G\text{-}\mathsf{Set}$ as a topos is that any set theoretic construction we do to some $G$-sets again gives us $G$-sets! For instance, any (co)limits of $G$-sets will have a natural $G$-action. If $X$ is a $G$-set then its powerset $\mathcal{P}(X)$ has a $G$-action where if $A \in \mathcal{P}(X)$ we define \(g \cdot A = \{g \cdot a \mid a \in A \}\), which is another element of $\mathcal{P}(X)$. If $X$ and $Y$ are $G$-sets then the set of functions $X \to Y$ is again a $G$-set where we say $(g \cdot_{X \to Y} f)(x) = g \cdot_Y f(g^{-1} \cdot_X x)$. In particular, we can recover the “$G$-equivariant” constructions as the global elements! So even though $\mathcal{P}(X)$ contains all subsets of $X$ (not just the $G$-invariant subsets), if we look at the global elements (that is the maps $1 \to \mathcal{P}(X)$) we do get exactly the $G$-invariant subsets. Similarly while the set of functions $X \to Y$ sees all functions, the global elements of this set will pick out exactly the $G$-equivariant functions. But $G\text{-}\mathsf{Set}$ has a coreflective subcategory given by those $G$-sets all of whose orbits are finite. The coreflector takes a $G$-set and just deletes all the infinite orbits, so we have an adjunction which gives us a comonad $\iota R$ on $G\text{-}\mathsf{Set}$. This comonad is idempotent, and its category of coalgebras is equivalent to \(G\text{-}\mathsf{Set}_\text{finite orbits}\). Then since $\iota$ is left exact (and so is $R$, since it’s a right adjoint), we see that \(G\text{-}\mathsf{Set}_\text{finite orbits}\) is the category of coalgebras for a lex comonad on a topos, thus is itself a topos! As a cute exercise, check that $\iota$ really is left exact! Now doing computations in this topos is pretty easy! Finite limits and arbitrary colimits are computed as in $G\text{-}\mathsf{Set}$ since $\iota$ preserves these. Arbitrary limits and exponentials $Y^X$ come from coreflecting – that is $Y^X$ as computed in \(G\text{-}\mathsf{Set}_\text{finite orbits}\) is just what we get by removing the infinite orbits from $Y^X$ as computed in $G\text{-}\mathsf{Set}$, and similarly for limits. The subobject classifier is just the usual set of truth values \(\{ \top, \bot \}\) with the trivial $G$-action1. In particular this topos is boolean, so set theory inside it is particularly close to the usual ZF set theory. Now with this in mind, we can prove the main claim of this post: In $\mathbb{Z}\text{-}\mathsf{Set}_\text{finite orbits}$, let $C_n$ be $\mathbb{Z}/n$ with its obvious $\mathbb{Z}$-action. Then each $C_n$ is inhabited2 in the sense that $\exists x . x \in C_n$, and yet \(\prod_n C_n = \emptyset\)! So this topos shows explicitly how, in the absence of choice, you can have a family of nonempty sets3 whose product is somehow empty! The computation is actually quite friendly! To compute $\prod_n C_n$ in this topos, we first compute the product in the category of all $\mathbb{Z}$-sets, then throw away any infinite orbits. But it’s easy to see that every orbit is infinite! Any element of the product will contain an element from every $C_n$, so that in any finite number of steps some large entry in this tuple won’t be back where it started. Ok, this one was actually quite quick, which I’m happy about! My parents are visiting soon, and I’m excited to take a few days to see them ^_^. I have another shorter post planned which another grad student asked me to write, and I’ve finally actually started the process of turning my posts on the topological topos into a paper. I’m starting to understand TQFTs better, and it’s been exciting to learn a bit more physics. Hopefully I’ll find time to talk about all that soon too, once I take some time to really organize my thoughts about it. Thanks for hanging out, all! Stay safe, and we’ll talk soon. In case $G = \mathbb{Z}$ then it’s a kind of cute fact that this topos is equivalent to the topos of continuous (discrete) $\widehat{\mathbb{Z}}$-sets, where $\widehat{\mathbb{Z}}$ is the profinite completion of $\mathbb{Z}$. See, for instance, Example A2.1.7 on page 72 of the elephant. This gives another computationally effective way to work with this topos! I’m pretty sure I convinced myself that more generally the category of $G$-sets all of whose orbits are finite should be equivalent to the category of continuous discrete $\widehat{G}$-sets, but I haven’t thought hard enough about it to say for sure in a blog post. ↩ Of course, there’s no global points for $n \neq 1$, since maps $1 \to C_n$ correspond to fixed points. But existential quantification is local, so that the topos models $\exists x \in C_n . \top$ if there’s some surjection $V \twoheadrightarrow 1$ and a map $V \to C_n$. We can take $V = \mathbb{Z}$ with its left multiplication action on itself, and there is a map from $\mathbb{Z} \to C_n$. If you’re more used to type theory, we don’t have $\Sigma_{x : C_n} \top$, since that would imply a global element. But despite this, we do have the propositional truncation $\lVert \Sigma_{x : C_n} \top \rVert$, so that an element of $C_n$ merely exists. ↩ Since this topos is boolean, nonempty and inhabited are actually synonyms here. Moreover, this “nonempty” is closer to how a lot of working mathematicians speak, so it felt right to use this wording here. ↩

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Every US Electrical Outlet Explained

[Note that this article is a transcript of the video embedded above.] I love the periodic table of the elements. I love it because it reveals the deeper order of what seems like an otherwise wildly disparate collection of atoms with different physical forms, chemical properties, and nuclear stabilities. I love it because, even before we actually found the elements that fit into each box, we knew that something did and could even predict some things about those elements before they were ever discovered. And finally, I love it because it’s a bit messy. Not everything lines up perfectly, and in some ways, it’s still a work in progress. In many ways, human-created standards follow that same form, and I want to try and convince you that they deserve the same affection. Let me present the periodic table of standard North American electrical connections. Isn’t it beautiful? I’m fascinated by stuff like this: a diversity of needs and purposes put into a relatively nice, neat order. But why do we need so many? And where do any of these actually get used? Well, I’ve spent the past month reading just about everything I could find on electrical plugs and receptacles to figure those questions out, and I even have a few of them here so I can show you what I learned. I’m Grady, and this is Practical Engineering. Electricity is something we really don’t want to be proprietary. It’s one thing if your charger doesn’t work on your buddy’s cell phone. It’s another thing entirely when you have to rewire your house because you bought a different brand of toaster. The National Electrical Manufacturers Association, or NEMA, was founded in 1926 as a coalition of companies making electrical equipment. Their members realized that life would be better with some standards, so that any company making an electrical device could be reasonably confident that the people who might want to buy that device would be able to use it, and more importantly, use it safely. This didn’t happen overnight. It took a diverse group of manufacturers, engineers, and testing labs to form a consensus around the system we use today. And it’s far from a perfect system. My friends Mehdi and Alec have covered receptacle-related topics on their channels, including the merits and disadvantages of the NEMA designs. But it works pretty well. Well enough that the NEMA connector standards have been adopted not just in the US, but all of North America, Central America, parts of South America, Japan, Taiwan, the Philippines, and beyond. Here’s that table again. You probably noticed that every type of plug and receptacle has its own special number. They seem a bit arcane at first glance, but it’s actually a handy naming scheme that’s pretty straightforward to understand. The first number is the configuration that defines the combination of voltage rating, wire count, and grounding style. These numbers are a bit arbitrary, but they kind of represent a certain class of receptacles and plugs. For example, NEMA 1 receptacles are rated for 125 volts and have just 2 poles (a hot and neutral) with no ground. The NEMA 1-15 was the classic North American outlet until the 1960s, and you still see these in older buildings. Lots of devices made today can still use them, especially low-voltage equipment like chargers, and, critically, those without external metal parts. If an energized wire inside the device comes loose and contacts the case, there’s still an insulating barrier protecting someone from being shocked. The reason NEMA 1 receptacles are mostly a thing of the past is what could happen when equipment didn’t have that protection. If a device with a metal enclosure or exposed metal parts had an energized wire come loose, that metal would be energized too. But, critically, it might not create a short circuit. With nowhere for current to flow, the device could just sit there, indefinitely dangerous, until someone happened to touch it, allowing current to flow through them to a lower potential. The ground wire we see in nearly all plugs and receptacles today fixes that specific hazard. Bonding exposed conductive elements and connecting them to ground makes sure that if they somehow become energized, current will flow, a short circuit will form, and protective devices like breakers will activate. Today we use the NEMA 5 standard for the vast majority of receptacles and plugs. Even if you’ve never heard of NEMA or seen the other plugs on the periodic table, you’re almost certainly familiar with this design. They have a 125 volt rating to handle the standard 120 volt service for most electrical devices with a little buffer. They have an energized pole, called the hot; a neutral pole to provide a return path, and a separate ground return that is bonded to the neutral line in the main electrical panel. The ground pin on most outlets is round instead of flat, and that’s the reason why nearly all electrical outlets kind of look like they’re screaming. Or at least they do to me. One thing about NEMA 5, and actually most of the NEMA configurations, is that the outlets have polarity. On the NEMA 5-15, the neutral slot is a bit wider than the hot, making it so the plug can only go in one way. In function, polarity often doesn’t matter for AC circuits. Current travels in both directions, so the equipment inside the device can’t really tell the difference. And some devices, like switch-mode power supplies, don’t care which direction they’re plugged in. Both blades are the same size. For safety, though, a lot of devices do. You really don’t want heating elements, motor coils, and circuit boards energized and waiting for a ground. It’s less hazardous to put the switch on the hot wire so that nothing beyond the cord is energized until it’s turned on. Enforcing polarity at the plug prevents “switched neutrals” along with other issues like electrical noise. The NEMA 5-15 plug and outlet were designed to be backward compatible with the older 1-15 standard. 1-15 plugs work just fine in the modern 5-15 outlets, and there are quite a few interesting compatibility cases like that in the NEMA standards. For example, the “15” in 5-15 refers to the current rating. Nearly every household device and appliance that runs on 120 volts is designed so that it never draws more than 15 amps, and actually, if the device is meant to run for more than 3 hours continuously, like a space heater, it can only draw 80% of that (which is 12 amps if you’re keeping score at home). That limit is obviously fine for most household appliances. But, especially in commercial spaces, it’s not quite enough power for certain devices like kitchen mixers, treadmills, copy machines, and power tools. Of course, we could just change the codes to require 20-amp circuits everywhere, but that has huge implications: larger circuit breakers, heavier-gauge wiring, and more expensive receptacles. And in many cases, it’s just not necessary. So instead, NEMA created a different receptacle and plug for 120-volt, 20-amp circuits, the 5-20. I have a bunch of these in the studio. You can see they have that T shape on the neutral slot. And 20-amp devices have the neutral blade rotated 90 degrees on the plug. But here’s the backward compatibility: regular 15-amp plugs fit into the 5-20 receptacle as well. NEMA 5 has 30 and 50 amp receptacles too, although they aren’t used very often these days because of a quirk about the historic availability of voltage. Today, split phase electrical service is basically standard for residential power. You get two 120-volt hot lines which can be used individually for smaller circuits or combined to get 240-volts for circuits that need more oomph. In the early 20th century, 240-volt service wasn’t always available, so you have these very-high-current 120-volt receptacles that could power heavy commercial cleaning equipment like floor burnishers and blowers, kitchen equipment like warming cabinets and steam tables, and large shop tools like table saws and compressors. Also, not all portable generators run at 240-volts, so older models used the larger NEMA 5 receptacles as well. These are still available and installed in places where, for whatever reason, a higher-voltage circuit is hard to come by. But in most cases, the more power-hungry devices are going to run on 240-volts. That brings us to NEMA 2. Like NEMA 1, these are ungrounded receptacles, but instead of a hot and neutral, they have two hots. Each is 180 degrees out of phase with its neighbor, so you get 240-volts across them, handled with a little cushion by the 250-volt rating. There were 20 and 30 amp receptacles, but, also like NEMA 1, these are mostly obsolete now that a ground is required by code. They’ve been replaced with NEMA 6, which has 15, 20, 30, and 50-amp receptacles and plugs. Of course, with double the voltage, you also get double the power compared to the NEMA 5 equivalents at the same current rating. The 6-15 is common for window or wall-mounted air conditioners. The 6-20 is used for heavier-duty air conditioners plus commercial kitchen equipment and shop tools. The 6-30 is used with large heaters, kilns, and heavy power tools. The 6-50 is kind of the standard welder outlet, plus it’s pretty common these days for level 2 EV chargers, capable of delivering nearly 10 kilowatts of continuous power through the receptacle. Like NEMA 5, the NEMA 6 has some backward compatibility, allowing 6-15 plugs to fit into 6-20 receptacles. This is kind of clever, but it doesn’t work all the way up the different current ratings. Of course a 50-amp outlet could easily handle a 15-amp device. And it would certainly be possible to design a series of outlets where each successive jump in current rating allowed those smaller devices to plug in. But there are two main reasons why they don’t: One is practicality. The blades on plugs aren’t all the same thickness. Designing a single receptacle slot that can safely grip both a thin, 15-amp blade and a massive 50-amp one would make manufacturing more difficult and increase the chances of developing loose connections inside the receptacle over time. Two is safety: circuit breakers are sized to protect everything downstream, including the plug and the appliance cord. If a thin cord on a low-current device develops an internal short, the resistance of that thin wire itself will cap the fault current so that a larger breaker might take much longer to trip or not trip at all. That could allow the wire to reach high enough temperatures to start a fire. Of course you don’t want a high-current device plugged into a lower-current-rated circuit, but if you trace out the things that can go wrong, it turns out that you also don’t want lower-current devices plugged into a high-capacity circuit. So, the plugs and outlets are designed to prevent both cases, except for the 15 and 20 amp situation, where the current is close enough that a breaker should still work as intended. 240 volts are useful to supply more power at the same current rating, but of course it comes at a cost. Higher voltage means more potential, literally, for arcs to occur. Equipment designed to handle the higher voltage needs better insulation and more careful design. Take a clothes dryer for example. You want the extra voltage for the power-hungry heating elements, but all the other stuff inside (like timers, controllers, and clocks) can easily run on 120 and those lower-voltage components are more affordable. That’s where NEMA 10 came in. You get three poles: two hots and a neutral. In that way, you get dual voltage: 240 between the hots and 120 between each hot and neutral. Of course, NEMA 10 receptacles also lack a ground connection, so they’re mostly obsolete. Plenty of houses still have them installed for clothes dryers and kitchen ranges, but since the 1990s, they’ve been supplanted with the NEMA 14 configuration. This is the most widely-used 240-volt standard in North America today. It’s versatile, providing both voltages. And there are a full range of current capacities, allowing you to design a circuit that’s well-suited for a device, from 15 all the way up to 60 amps. The 14-15 is pretty rare. I couldn’t even find someone making the receptacle. The 14-20 is also not that common. Some food service equipment uses this like certain coffee makers. The warmers rely on 240 volts while the fans and timers run on 120. Same with some jobsite heaters and specialized laboratory equipment. The 14-30 is the standard residential electric clothes dryer plug and is often used for EV chargers. Some server and mainframe equipment uses it as well. The 14-50 is the standard residential cooking range and oven plug. It’s also widely used for EV chargers and pretty common at RV campgrounds as well. The 14-60 is more of a commercial or industrial receptacle, used for large kitchen appliances and distribution of power at events like concerts. Single phase electrical service covers nearly all residential and lots of commercial buildings. But, the grid runs on three phases and it’s pretty common for larger commercial buildings and essentially all industrial facilities to have three-phase service. It’s particularly useful for devices that use large motors. And of course, if you have the service, you’re going to need receptacles and plugs for those devices, or at least the ones that aren’t hard-wired. NEMA 11 was the standard for up to 250V with receptacles and plugs ranging from 15 to 50 amps. Those have been replaced by the new NEMA 15, again because of grounding requirements. And this is going to almost always be relatively specialized industrial devices: woodshop and machining tools, laboratory testing equipment, grinders, pumps, dust collectors, heavy welders, plasma cutters, and so on. It’s not stuff most people see in everyday life, and in many cases, each receptacle is going to be custom-installed for a specific piece of equipment. And since hard-wiring equipment directly to the service panel is typically the default, that makes receptacles like these even more rare. You really only see them in places that need a high degree of modularity, allowing for rapid reconfiguration of workspaces like jobsites, certain manufacturing facilities, and short life-cycle equipment that needs to be easily swapped out. There are two main three-phase service classes used in most commercial and industrial buildings in the US. The most common is 208 volts phase to phase, which uses the NEMA 15 configuration. There’s also 480 volts phase to phase, but like I mentioned before, you can get a lower voltage between phase and neutral (in this case, 277 volts). So NEMA 7 has plugs and receptacles specifically for using just one phase from buildings wired with 480-volt, three-phase service. A lot of commercial and industrial lights use these receptacles, like warehouses, factories, and arenas, making them easy to swap out without hard-wiring. Commercial ventilation and air conditioning systems use them too. And just like the dual-voltage 240-volt plugs, there are also dual-voltage three-phase plugs, delivering equipment with all three hot phases plus a neutral so different components can run at different voltages. NEMA 18 has receptacles for 208-volt service, although they don’t have a ground, so they’re mostly obsolete. There are no straight-blade plugs that have replaced NEMA 18. Aligning and inserting a 5-blade plug would be tricky and take a lot of force. And I’ve kind of buried the lede here only talking about the straight-blade NEMA standards. The reality is that a large number of the NEMA receptacles and plugs have an equivalent locking version. These use curved blades that twist inside the receptacle so they can’t be easily pulled out. Actually the locking versions are more common than the straight-blade equivalents in many cases, especially when it comes to portable generators, jobsite equipment, and events where things are always moving around. If your vacuum cleaner unplugs itself because you’ve gone too far into the hallway, that’s usually not a big deal, but if a three-phase 600 volt plasma cutter does the same thing, you can get serious damage from arcing. That’s why the locking standards extend beyond the voltage ratings of the straight-blade ones up to three-phase 600-volt circuits. They even have receptacles for 400-hertz power used in aerospace, submarine, and military systems. Of course, sometimes the standards make themselves. When it comes to RVs and travel trailers, (from what I can gather) the industry had already developed a 120-volt, 30-amp receptacle before NEMA formalized its catalogue of standards. Instead of forcing an entire industry to retool, NEMA just adopted what everyone was already using, calling it the TT-30. TT for travel trailer and 30 for the current capacity. In function, it’s not any different than the NEMA 5-30 receptacle and plug, but you’ll almost never see one of those, because the TT-30 is far more common. It’s a face only an outlet enthusiast could love. I haven’t really talked about the smaller versions of the locking connectors used where space is an issue. And there are even more specialized standards like ship-to-shore power, aircraft, and military uses. Of course, when you look beyond NEMA, there are way more standards out there. But I feel like this is enough to get you excited about the weird, wide world of electrical receptacle standardization. There are all kinds of practical considerations that make it much more complicated than just a 2D chart with voltage on one side and current on the other. Just like the periodic table of the elements, the NEMA connection standards are a bit messy. And that’s what I love about them.

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